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Last post 09-14-2010 06:33 PM by pyrah. 9 replies.
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  • 09-13-2010 09:26 AM

    Manual Provisional Licence // Question

    Hi guys,

    I am wondering if someone on here can give me some advice with respect to getting my provisional licence.

    Hope this doesn't sound like a silly question, it's just something i'd like to get some clarification on.

    I am currently on a learner licence which I did back in December last year (I did the test on a manual motorcycle)

    I have since bought and been happily riding around on my Vespa PX :)

    I now need to do my Provisional but am not sure whether I can sit the manual test on my PX, as I am not clear whether the RTA class the PX as a manual. Their site says it needs to be a 'conventional manual' and I am not sure if the PX sits in this category.

    I don't want to book the test, turn up on my PX and they say I need to do it on a motorcycle. I did call the RTA but the lady I spoke to wasn't really too helpful.

    Cheers

    mark

  • 09-13-2010 09:54 AM In reply to

    • hcrun
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    Re: Manual Provisional Licence // Question

     

    Mark,
    I'm in the ACT and am a Leaner also (Vespa GT200). My understanding is that if the rider is required to coordinate clutch/gear-shift changes then the two-wheeler is classified as a "manual", irrespective of how the gearshift is operated (hand or foot).

    The funny thing is that I also have a semi-auto motorbike (no clutch but manual foot-change of the 2-speed gearbox) and that is still classed here as a "manual" as the gears have to be changed by the rider.

    Bruce

    Mid-life went past too quickly so I'm having a late-life crisis.
  • 09-13-2010 02:25 PM In reply to

    • bradr
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    Re: Manual Provisional Licence // Question

    i pressume you mean a px 200? 4speed?,if so then its as manual as manual can get & is classed as a manual for rta test,good luck with your test
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  • 09-13-2010 02:32 PM In reply to

    Re: Manual Provisional Licence // Question

    Hey Brad,

    Yes PX200, 4 speed.

    Awesome - thanks for the help.

    Cheers

    mark

  • 09-13-2010 02:33 PM In reply to

    Re: Manual Provisional Licence // Question

    bradr:
      i pressume you mean a px 200? 4speed?,if so then its as manual as manual can get & is classed as a manual for rta test,good luck with your test
     

    That's my understanding too.  I looked through the handbook for you (it's downloadable from the "geared" website http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/geared/licence/on_your_bike.html - but it only mentions an automatic once and has no definition.  A lot of the RTA websites are crap for highly specific info - takes a lot of looking to find it.

    FWIW, the best part of the Provisional is the pre-test ride - which isn't offered to people getting the 'automatic' licence.  It's a half-day getting roadcraft instruction - simply invaluable.  That's the stuff that'll keep you alive!! I wish I'd done that sort of training when I first got my licence ... I've acquired it over a few decades, but even so the Stay Upright roadcraft training I've done has been worth the cost and effort.

     

    Sydney / Vespa PX150 & GTS250ie / BMW R1200R
  • 09-13-2010 10:00 PM In reply to

    Re: Manual Provisional Licence // Question

    Thanks so much for the help guys.

    I'll get my manual test booked in and continue to love riding my PX

    Cheers

  • 09-14-2010 05:04 PM In reply to

    • Jobbie
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    Re: Manual Provisional Licence // Question

    Which leads me to ask.....In QLD, NT, SA.. I understand that a person can ride a 50cc scooter on their car licence. Does it need to be written on the licence? Do they still wear 'L' and 'P' plates? Do the riders have to undertake any courses like 'Stay Upright'? Are "go-faster" mods illegal for that class? In regards to the death of the scooterist in Brisbane last week (another thread), could it have been avoided by training? (Straight road- good lighting, etc.)

    Not wanting to sound cold hearted, but I feel the need to enquire..The QLD roads website seems a tad vague on these issues. 

    In regards to NSW, there must be a new system. I did my testing as a mature age rider on a Sportcity scooter, and I wasn't restricted to automatic or engine size after a year. (But I don't want anything other than a scooter..honest.)

    Aprilia Sportcity 125 2007.
    Aprilia Scarabeo 250 2010.
  • 09-14-2010 05:31 PM In reply to

    Re: Manual Provisional Licence // Question

     As far as i am aware in SA a C class license all so gives you a full license for LA class vehicles   http://www.sa.gov.au/subject/Transport,+travel+and+motoring/Motoring/Motorcycling/Motorcycles/Riding+a+moped

    Si ‘Thi’ later
  • 09-14-2010 06:17 PM In reply to

    Re: Manual Provisional Licence // Question

    Jobbie:
    Which leads me to ask.....In QLD, NT, SA..
     

    Also in WA

    Jobbie:
    Does it need to be written on the licence?

    Not in WA, it's an unwritten rule. unfortunately it has lead to some confusion as many people think that this relates to ALL scooters.

    Jobbie:
    Do they still wear 'L' and 'P' plates?

    In WA there is also a R-N licence, which covers "mopeds" (ie 50cc scoots) ONLY. If a 17 year old, or an adult without a car licence, wishes to only (or can only) ride 50cc scooters then they can apply for this class, in which case they do need to follow the standard L, red P & green P plate system.

    Jobbie:
    Are "go-faster" mods illegal for that class?

    No it's not legal (in WA) but then it's common practice & I don't know of anyone who has been charged for it.

    Jobbie:
    Do the riders have to undertake any courses like 'Stay Upright'?

    If the rider doesn't have their car license & is going for the RN class then they are required to do the test. They won't pass without an escort & are far more likely to pass if that escort is a qualified instructor as the examiner can see that they've made some effort to learn the ropes & so are (hopefully) more likely to be safer riders.

    People who ride scooters on their car license aren't required to attend lessons.

    Wanda
    Today 50 (2,500km), Montego. Fly (2,500km), Le Grande (7,000km), Vespa PX (200km), Vespa GTS250ie (46,000km), now looking at the world through Ruby coloured glasses on a Vespa GTV300ie Vie Della Moda.
  • 09-14-2010 06:33 PM In reply to

    Re: Manual Provisional Licence // Question

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