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Last post 06-18-2014 01:43 PM by radar. 13 replies.
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  • 05-26-2014 08:20 AM

    cheapie full face helmets from eBay

    Hi

    just wondering if anyone has tried one of these and if so what they thought. I see some now that are $69 and actually have the compliance stickers (and I assume therefore compliance to ADR). For instance this one

  • 05-26-2014 10:44 AM In reply to

    Re: cheapie full face helmets from eBay

    Devil WHY risk when you can buy a recognised brand for not a lot of $ more ? Confused

  • 05-26-2014 01:34 PM In reply to

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    Full Aussie rating, free postage...hard to argue with that !

    My point is this..............melons are all different sizes + a tape measurement alone may not be enough. .I have a big head and I went to a B I G motorbike shop in Sydney for my FF Helmet. I found that the BEST fit  for me was not the biggest sized helmet there !

    Heads, chins etc are all different shapes and IMHO, mere measurement via tape measure is not enough, especially for FF helmet.

    This shop had a specialist helmet guy who guided me to the best helmet....Price was still under $100 .

    Yep, hit the shops is my call.

     

    Aprilia 200ie
  • 05-26-2014 03:50 PM In reply to

    • Greg
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    Re: cheapie full face helmets from eBay

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  • 05-26-2014 06:37 PM In reply to

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    Greg :

    video link

     

     

    very interesting ... however I would wonder if that helmet passed the ADR standards (and do you know what is involved with passing them? It requires a repeated drop onto hammer with a "standard" magnesium ally "head" in the helmet). Those cheapies look dreadful (have seen them personally in India).

    Let me know if interested and I'll send you a link to a PDF of some very interesting testing results. People get worked up about helmet stuff but I've met very few people who have actually done their own destructive testing of stuff or that actually know much about the engineering / standards involved. (not suggesting anyone here but just in general)

    My question still stands however.

  • 05-26-2014 07:11 PM In reply to

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    http://netrider.net.au/threads/australian-standard-sticker-as1698.112739/

    Makes interesting reading as a starter.

     

    Then http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Articles/MotorcyclistHelmets.html

     

    Conventional helmet-biz wisdom says fiberglass construction is somehow better at absorbing energy than plastic—something about the energy of the crash being used up in delaminating the shell. And that a stiffer shell lets a designer use softer foam inside—which might absorb energy better.

     

    Our results showed the exact opposite—that plastic-shelled helmets actually performed better than fiberglass. In our big 3-meter hit—the high-energy kind of bash one might expect would show the supposed weaknesses of a plastic shell—the plastic helmets transferred an average of 20 fewer Gs compared with their fiberglass brothers, which were presumably designed by the same engineers to meet the same standards, and built in the same factories by the same people.

     Why is this? We're guessing—but it's a really good guess: The EPS liner inside the shell is better at absorbing energy than the shell. The polycarbonate shells flex rather than crush and delaminate, and this flexing, far from being a problem, actually lets the EPS do more of its job of energy absorption while transferring less energy to the head

     

  • 05-26-2014 08:10 PM In reply to

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    I paid $79 for my Rjays Apex from the bike shop who let me try a few on and find the size that fit my head. I'd rather pay the extra for service, thanks.

    4 years and 20,000 K's later, I'm still scootering, and you guys are stuck with me!
  • 05-27-2014 06:52 PM In reply to

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    I've never valued my head so low. While it may be argued that some helmets are way overpriced for what they offer, the other side of the coin says you only get what you pay for. Turns out that my $900 System 5 BMW helmet is a piece of crap as far as the shape of my head is concerned yet my Shark RSR is bloody brilliant in terms of long term comfort.

    You're as bad as me, you used to be so much better, that makes you worse.

    Red Gilera Fuoco 500ie
  • 05-28-2014 11:12 AM In reply to

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    I agree with Pyra -

    Why bother with the crappy stuff when there is always a sale on somewhere with the better brands. 

    Cheers

     

  • 05-28-2014 12:20 PM In reply to

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    as a lad in my 20's I was quite the gear nazi, insisting on top line stuff. Always has the latest of Arai helmets (over Shoei just based on my head fit). My current (about to be pensioned off) lid is an Arai RX7 RR3. Over the years I've spent literally thousands on helmets.

    However in the 90's (lin my ate 30's) I started doing some research and reading. What I found was quite interesting. Helmet makers and bike shops definately rely on the snazzy advertising line Bell put out of "if you have a $10 head buy a $10 helmet". However in the USA there is (as far as I know) no legal obligation to sell or wear DOT rated helmets.

    Australia however is it mandatory to sell and wear AS 1698 approved helmets. I encourage any readers to go read that spec (even a preliminary draft) and see what it entails.

    There are no end of good engineering publications (such as the link I posted and all the reports which it cites) stating that there is no correlation price and meeting the standards.

    Then (also touched on in that link) there is the issue that standards have been called into question for actually not providing the best protection to the rider (for instance citing foam density being too high) This study made recommendations back in 1989, and to my knowledge none have been implimented.

    Back in the 90's a Marushin was considered a junker, a brain bucket. Now they're more respected because they've been around.

    To my money if its got ADR approval (AS1698-2008) then its on a level playing field for safety. The issues then become visors and visor mechanisms and comfort and noise (and man is my Arai noisy, testing shows that its > 118dB @ 80Km/H)

    Lastly here on the Coast I'll have to run all round the place to get a lid and they won't be cheap like they are in Sydney. Thus I look online.

    :-)

  • 05-28-2014 04:50 PM In reply to

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    worth reading:
    http://www.umcinc.com.au/index.php?page=helmets

     as well as this pdf from the same site:

    http://www.umcinc.com.au/uploads/Helmets/Marks%20Labels%20Helmets%20Part%203.pdf

    which identifies helmets bought from shops which it seems were not actually compliant.

    Caveat Emptor

  • 06-07-2014 02:30 PM In reply to

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    Hi

    thought I'd report that my new lid has arrived and I've been using it for a week now. Definitely value for money. I've put a blog post up about it (and safety issues too).

    Here in case anyone is interested in the topic (or considering one of these lids).

    :-)

  • 06-10-2014 04:51 PM In reply to

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    pellicle:

    Hi

    just wondering if anyone has tried one of these and if so what they thought. I see some now that are $69 and actually have the compliance stickers (and I assume therefore compliance to ADR). For instance this one

    I bought my first helmet off this Ebay seller, and yes, it was cheap in both price and qaulity.

    You really knew you had it on, as it was so uncomfortable to wear with minimal/hardened padding within.

    Luckily, i didnt have to wear it for too long as i had a low speed collision (suffered a graze to the forhead due to this unprotected peice of crap), and then it was replaced under insurance for a mid range store bought brand.

    Later, i was going to get a mate to send a Shoei to me from Japan (not Aus certified) that has a ticketed price of $900 AU here, but would have been half that there.

    Abborted the idea incase i was in an accident and the helmet was audited..................... and found not to  have a Aus standard stickerTongue Tied.........

    Under Australian law, that $69 helmet would protect my head better than the reputable brand helmetAngry

    Its a crazy world...

     

    Shayne

     

    I love Asian........................Scooters, particully Honda. 1st Scooter, Nss 250 01,,, 2nd Scooter Nss 250X 07...............
  • 06-18-2014 01:43 PM In reply to

    • radar
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    Re: cheapie full face helmets from eBay

     Found these colourful items on sale http://www.mcas.com.au/motorcycle-helmets-road/rjays-urban-helmet-clone $20.00 Rjays from MCAS Auburns [Syd]  Just got my open Lic and the kids want helmets so they can get ferried around to footy training etc. 80% sale price, probably don't have any in stock.

    Radar


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