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How do the new 110cc's compare to a PCX125?

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  • 04-22-2017 10:44 PM

    • wleung
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    How do the new 110cc's compare to a PCX125?

    Hi Guys,

    Long time no post. After a 4 year hiatus from 2-wheeling, I'm back on a CBR125R, and am looking for a scooter for the wife as she recently completed her pre-learners and wants to learn to ride. (Obviously I'm going to steal the scooter off her on the odd occasion)

    We had a look at the Honda Dio / Suzuki Address pair today and we really liked the seat height and weight. I only test drove the Address, and it was pretty good up to 80km/h on flats, but noticed it got a bit stuck at 60-65km/h going up a steep hill.

    Does the PCX125 fair any better going up hills or is it pretty similar to the Address?
    I noticed it has a little bit more power, but then it carries a little bit more weight compared to the Dio & Address.

    Fyi - I considered the PCX150, but its out of our budget at the moment as I'm trying to stay under $3K and there are no 2nd hand examples below this limit yet. I used to ride a Bug Espresso that I think would've met her needs too, but can't find a decent example now neither, and kinda prefer something fuel injected if possible.

    Cheers,

    W

     

    Exs: CB250, GS500, DL650, Espresso 150, Triumph Street Triple, ZZR250, CB900F Hornet
    Current: CBR125R / Piaggio Fly 150 3V
  • 04-23-2017 09:54 PM In reply to

    Re: How do the new 110cc's compare to a PCX125?

    Your riding a CBR 125R reflects what I witness as a growing trend toward capable small capacity motorbikes; I see them about with increased frequency.

    I purchased a Dio new just over 12 months ago and have found it an astounding lightweight scooter. I have travelled just on three thousand klicks, all recreational coastal sport riding, and the performance just seems to improve. Possibly a testiment to tight build tolereances. The scooter performs well up to 70kph, then moves toward 80. The speeds zones in which I limit my scooter use reflect the limits of this scooter. Hauling up steep continuous inclines sees the performance fall away. No surprises there.

    But it is all the other attributes that make this, imo, a great first ride: light weight - larger wheels - manageable seat height - great throttle response and roll off throttle - very good brakes; the scooter is very stable under heavy braking - great ergonomics - quality build. Depending on the odometer reading of the test scoot, I can assure you my scooter only improved from about 2000ks. But it depends on where you indend using this scoot.

    Rider stats: late 60s - 69kg - 178cm; this is the second smallest bike I have ever owned after an original Bridgestone. But I truely love it. Hope this helps.

  • 04-23-2017 10:01 PM In reply to

    Re: How do the new 110cc's compare to a PCX125?

    ... oh, I forgot to mention, my last small scooter was a little Aprilia 125 (MY12). Comparatively it was like riding a little tractor against the fuel injected Dio.

  • 04-23-2017 10:25 PM In reply to

    • wleung
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    Re: How do the new 110cc's compare to a PCX125?

    Thanks for the feedback aspro.

    I think 90% of the time, the Dio or Address would be great for her uses. 

    It's just unfortunate that I live in the west, and there are a few main roads that connect us to the rest of sydney which will require the scooter to maintain 70-80km/h up a hill. She is about 50 kg.

    I'm not even sure the Kymco Like 200i would meet my requirements, so maybe I will have to save up more for a PCX150 or just ban her from riding anywhere far away (which kinda sucks to be honest, and will only be a last resort). She's not too confident in riding my CBR just yet, so the scooter was meant to be an automatic equivalent to let her get her roadcraft skills up first.

    aspro boy:

    Your riding a CBR 125R reflects what I witness as a growing trend toward capable small capacity motorbikes; I see them about with increased frequency

    I think there are lot of older motorcyclists who have gotten back into the whole 'lightweight' thing, and the grom & Z125 are just scooters in motorbike form really. Some people always want to ride a manual.

    They also solve seat height & weight problems for shorter/smalle rlearner riders as well, as even the CB125e was a little to high for my wife in stock form for her to get any confidence on it. They certainly make you pay for it though as they are literally $500 away from the CB300's and Z300s. The Dios and Addresses certainly beat them on ride-away price, and I think since the smaller bikes are only 4 speed, the scooter top speeds match up the the small bikes.

    I often wonder, maybe the top speed is just a variator thing? I swear my old bug espresso could tackle james ruse drive fine, and it didn't output that much more power, though it did have 16" wheels, so maybe they could do something tricky there with the CVT ratios.

    W

     

     

     

     

     

    Exs: CB250, GS500, DL650, Espresso 150, Triumph Street Triple, ZZR250, CB900F Hornet
    Current: CBR125R / Piaggio Fly 150 3V
  • 04-23-2017 10:46 PM In reply to

    Re: How do the new 110cc's compare to a PCX125?

    Yep CBR125r great little machine and is ideal to learn on imho to get the same performance from a scooter i think you will need at least a good 150cc machine 

     

    pyrah's old CBR125r still going and now used in Adelaide by son in law

    Si ‘Thi’ later
  • 04-24-2017 07:47 AM In reply to

    Re: How do the new 110cc's compare to a PCX125?

    Freedom Motorcycles at Brookvale has the PCX 150 listed on special this month for $4590 ride away (NSW). This is the cheapest I have seen. Secretly I would have prefered the 150, for improved flexibility, but did not now want that style. The current SH150 is too big for a 150, imo.

    Would enjoy some feedback as to decision making .... 

  • 04-24-2017 12:21 PM In reply to

    • wleung
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    Re: How do the new 110cc's compare to a PCX125?

    Hey Aspro,

     

    That is a decent price for the bike brand new. It irked me a little that bikebiz listed a used pcx that had gone 3.5k for $4300, but maybe they were catering for strong negotiators. 

     

    I think I will wait for a used example to pop up. Gumtree had one a month ago for $3k after 10k KMs. That's around the price I'm looking for. 

     

    Will keep you guys posted on end result. 

     

    W

    Exs: CB250, GS500, DL650, Espresso 150, Triumph Street Triple, ZZR250, CB900F Hornet
    Current: CBR125R / Piaggio Fly 150 3V
  • 04-24-2017 01:26 PM In reply to

    Re: How do the new 110cc's compare to a PCX125?

    Hi all,

    Did the Fly 150 pop  up?? It's a mighty fine choice, there's plenty of them out there, they have a bit of go and some good features.....and they're cheap

    Aprilia 200ie
  • 04-24-2017 07:29 PM In reply to

    • wleung
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    Re: How do the new 110cc's compare to a PCX125?

    Hi Martin,

    We did see one at a dealership, and my wife had a sat on it. The seat height was a bit higher than the japanese models, so she kind preferred the PCX.

    It's definitely still on my radar if I can't meet my price target with the PCX. I guess one of my main issues is that there are no piaggio dealers anywhere near me (at least I don't think there are). Guess I can always learn to service it myself, but getting parts will still be annoying.

    W

    Exs: CB250, GS500, DL650, Espresso 150, Triumph Street Triple, ZZR250, CB900F Hornet
    Current: CBR125R / Piaggio Fly 150 3V
  • 04-24-2017 07:48 PM In reply to

    Re: How do the new 110cc's compare to a PCX125?

    Yep, both good points

    Aprilia 200ie
  • 04-24-2017 09:16 PM In reply to

    Re: How do the new 110cc's compare to a PCX125?

    The look of the Piaggio Fly is not to my liking, but that places me out of step with a large percentage of small capacity scooter buyers. They do perform well, though, as stated above. I was motoring along the Southern Cross Drive at the legal limit, 80kph, when a latest generation Fly 150 closed from behind. When it drew alongside I lowered my window to listen to it's rapid little heart beat. The scooter was two-up, travelling at about 85kph and was purring sweetly, without any auditable sounds of stress. I was impressed. Well beyond the capability of the Dio.

  • 04-24-2017 09:19 PM In reply to

    • wleung
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    Re: How do the new 110cc's compare to a PCX125?

    I've seem some cheap Daelim S1's around.

    Are Daelim still active in Australia? Or have they disappeared?

    W

    Exs: CB250, GS500, DL650, Espresso 150, Triumph Street Triple, ZZR250, CB900F Hornet
    Current: CBR125R / Piaggio Fly 150 3V
  • 04-24-2017 09:47 PM In reply to

    • wleung
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    • Joined on 04-22-2009
    • Western Sydney
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    Re: How do the new 110cc's compare to a PCX125?

    aspro boy:
    The scooter was two-up, travelling at about 85kph and was purring sweetly, without any auditable sounds of stress. I was impressed. Well beyond the capability of the Dio.

    That's a good anecdote, it brings it up to equal standing as a PCX125 for me then.

    Another thing I hear is that the Fly is a tad more maneuverable than the PCX? (I guess 12" wheels would mean that). This will help in the MOST I suppose (at the expense of comfort on parramatta road :D)

    BTW - I just remembered, I loved the hand-brake feature on the Suzuki Address 110. Wish more scooters had that function.


    W

    Exs: CB250, GS500, DL650, Espresso 150, Triumph Street Triple, ZZR250, CB900F Hornet
    Current: CBR125R / Piaggio Fly 150 3V
  • 04-25-2017 12:45 PM In reply to

    Re: How do the new 110cc's compare to a PCX125?

    S1 was a good scooter but think Daelim on it's way out in Australia Mojo don't list as one of their brands anymore ?

    Image result for daelim s1

    Si ‘Thi’ later
  • 04-25-2017 05:16 PM In reply to

    Re: How do the new 110cc's compare to a PCX125?

    Daelim scooters have been missing on the showroom floor line-up for about six months with the two (relatively) local dealers that once stocked them. I see a few of the S1s running about. Any examples of the B-Bone left in the street become extremely untidy very quickly.

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