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any info about de resticting predator 2003 50cc l/c greatly appreciated, ihave been told that the inlet manifold has a bore restrictor in it and that theres a spacer between variator/outer pulley (to remove) and a ring in the exhaust near join with cyl which can be easily removed but some expert input would help:is there any other forms of restriction on this trick little scoot cheers.

I can't help with the technical stuff, but as regards the legal stuff... if you are in a state which lets you ride a restricted 50cc scooter on a car licence, once it's de-restricted not only is it illegal for you to ride it on a car licence, it's also illegal for anyone with a full bike licence to ride it as it no longer meets the ADRs (Australian design regs) under which it was originally approved. While this may not be a concern at the moment (chances of getting picked up are probably slim), should you have a crash you may have trouble with vehicle, and medical, insurance.

Just thought you should be aware... but I'm not your mother so it's not my problem.

SharonVespaGirl:

I can't help with the technical stuff, but as regards the legal stuff... if you are in a state which lets you ride a restricted 50cc scooter on a car licence, once it's de-restricted not only is it illegal for you to ride it on a car licence, it's also illegal for anyone with a full bike licence to ride it as it no longer meets the ADRs (Australian design regs) under which it was originally approved. While this may not be a concern at the moment (chances of getting picked up are probably slim), should you have a crash you may have trouble with vehicle, and medical, insurance.

Just thought you should be aware... but I'm not your mother so it's not my problem.

Yes, I know it's illegal in every state (and territory) of Australia as well as those states with the car licence law. That's why I put in the bit about the full bike licence. But thanks for clearing it up for those people who may not have understood that from my original post.

 here is something to ponder on...

what if you bought the scooter already deresticted "unknowingly".. and have an accident...

how is insurance gonna tackle that....

do they need to prove that you did the derestriction?

there are thousands of bikes out there that have been modified... how is each buyer supposed to know whats been changed?

 Very good point you have there.

On the flip side let me put this example to the forum:

You go through a school zone at 60 when it is a 40 zone time and because you don't have a visible clock, you get pinged for 20 over.  By rights you are at fault because it is your responsibility to ensure that you are obeying the speed limits at all time, no one else to blame.

This also applys to a road worthy vehicle, governing devices removed is like having bald tyres, they are both illegal and it is your responsibility to ensure that you are riding a road worthy vehicle.  Not sure that the governing devices are still in tact?  On the test ride can it only do ~50km/h?  If you are still unsure, have a mechanic to verify before your purchase because it is buyer beware and the new owners responsibility.

atmot:

there are thousands of bikes out there that have been modified... how is each buyer supposed to know whats been changed?

A couple of things come into play.

• Proximate cause - did the derestriction directly contribute to the loss? if so you are in the shiite
• Disclosure - if they ask a question you must answer truthfully, even if they don't ask you must disclose anything that materially affects the risk to be undertaken. Ignorance is no excuse

Best to let them know & you have no doubt.

 Hi.

As far as I know all 2T 50ccm scooters are speed restricted so they can be used on roads in AUSTRALIA.

Everywhere (except NSW) you can ride those without a motorcycle license. Because it is a moped. If a moped is de-restricted - it becomes motorcycle. You need a motorcycle license to ride it.

 In NSW you DO need a motorcycle license for everything (mopeds, scooters, motorbikes), so what's the problem with riding de-restricted moped (which technically is now a motorcycle) if I DO have a NSW riding license.....?

Because a 50cc scooter can legally only go 50kmph!  That's the difference!  De-Restrict it, and it goes faster, therefore you are breaking the law! 

 I have a Polini Sport Cylinder coming to me from overseas. It is 70ccm version. Would that make my moped a motorcycle/scooter ?

a polini 70 kit with the exhaust de res and inlet manifold opened out +re jet and it will fly but in your part of the world i think its then become a motorbike harsh and unfair in uk you get a 125cc put on a 172 kit don`t overtake the lawdogs and all on l plates

If you de-restrict something approved as a moped, it does NOT become a motorcycle. It become ILLEGAL to ride it on Australian roads. Only vehicles approved as motorcycles are motorcycles under the ADRs. Once you modify that 50cc scooter and make it go faster than 50km/h, then it is NOT approved at all!

However, if you get a 125cc and put a 172 kit on it, that's fine as the 125 is already approved as a motorcycle. The moped class is a special class and is approved under different regulations.

Not all 2 stroke 50s are restricted, but those that are, for the local market, are approved under specific ADRs.

You can ride restricted 50s in SA, WA, NT, QLD, on a car licence. All other states require a full motorcycle licence except NSW which also has a scooter licence.

Having a full motorcycle licence does not entitle you to ride a 50cc scooter which has been de-restricted. It is still illegal!