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Last post 01-17-2009 10:51 PM by kiwiscoota. 12 replies.
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  • 01-15-2009 11:59 PM

    • bradr
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    vespa gts 250 electrical problem

    to all those who own gts 250's,do yourself a big favour & check the wiring at the rear of the battery-(where it passes through into the engine compartment) because if the main positive battery lead is not routed correctly it can rub on the other 3 yellow wires which are in the same harnessed section & this as i found out can cause a serious issue with shorting out & probable fire if not caught in time,as i found out on mine last weekend. the problem appears to be lack of insulation of the harness itself combined with being not far from that known to be troublesome exhaust engine pipe,the remedy was very simple--feed the harness through on battery side so you have access,repair any wiring damage which has occurred,wrap plenty of black tent tape around individual wires,then wrap all wires in that harness together with plenty more tent tape,encase entire section in that flexible electrical conduit,finally reroute wire harness back into position.note; make sure to disconnect the battery before doing any of the above.perhaps if Mr vespa reads this-he might consider modifying future gts models?

    but even with this problem,i think they are a terrific scooter & so far have 12000 km absolutely troublefree riding with some very long rides having been acomplished

    Red ones always go faster but blue ones go pretty quick , but now blue ones are the way to go😄
  • 01-16-2009 08:38 AM In reply to

    • petegailey
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    Re: vespa gts 250 electrical problem

     Thanks for the tip bradr.

    Daelim NS 125: Mighty 1st scoot from Korea that punched way above its weight. Sold
    Vespa GTS 250: Modern Retro brilliance. I'll ride it til it dies.Traded in on a maxi.
    Suzuki DR650: "That Thing" Excellent Single 650 thumper chook chaser that was too tall. Sold
    Yamaha T Max: Best Maxi out there and serious canyon racer. Sold
    Triumph Bonneville: Modern Retro brilliance with the sweetest parallel twin.
    BMW F800R: The Naked Hun. Great intro into sports bikes.
    Gilera Runner FXR 180: 2 stroke scooter missile from Piaggio.
    Gilera Nexus 500. Sexy like red Italian stilettos.
    Yamaha RZ250RR: Retro Japanese 2 stroke racer.
  • 01-16-2009 11:35 AM In reply to

    • bradr
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    Re: vespa gts 250 electrical problem

    Thats very interesting,my wife also just purchased an 06 250 gts,she is also upgrading from a dailim 125 ns,simply because she wants to go at normal hwy speeds.she bought it to learn on & its been a fantastic scoot.cheers

    Red ones always go faster but blue ones go pretty quick , but now blue ones are the way to go😄
  • 01-17-2009 07:50 AM In reply to

    • petegailey
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    Re: vespa gts 250 electrical problem

     

    bradr:

    Thats very interesting,my wife also just purchased an 06 250 gts,she is also upgrading from a dailim 125 ns,simply because she wants to go at normal hwy speeds.she bought it to learn on & its been a fantastic scoot.cheers

    She has good taste in scooters.
    Daelim NS 125: Mighty 1st scoot from Korea that punched way above its weight. Sold
    Vespa GTS 250: Modern Retro brilliance. I'll ride it til it dies.Traded in on a maxi.
    Suzuki DR650: "That Thing" Excellent Single 650 thumper chook chaser that was too tall. Sold
    Yamaha T Max: Best Maxi out there and serious canyon racer. Sold
    Triumph Bonneville: Modern Retro brilliance with the sweetest parallel twin.
    BMW F800R: The Naked Hun. Great intro into sports bikes.
    Gilera Runner FXR 180: 2 stroke scooter missile from Piaggio.
    Gilera Nexus 500. Sexy like red Italian stilettos.
    Yamaha RZ250RR: Retro Japanese 2 stroke racer.
  • 01-17-2009 09:27 AM In reply to

    Re: vespa gts 250 electrical problem

    I'm curious as what you meant about the "troublesome exhaust engine pipe". ?

    I should add I never had any probs with the battery cable or exhaust on my GT200, GTS250 or either of my GTS300's. The GT200 and GTS250 I travelled more than 50,000 on each, the black GTS300 has now done just over 20,000km, my newest toy a white GTS300 doesn't really come into the pic as I've barely run it in at 4,500km.
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    David
    Vespa GTS 300 Super
  • 01-17-2009 09:57 AM In reply to

    • bradr
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    Re: vespa gts 250 electrical problem

    wow,50000km,i have a long way to go,if ya want to know about the exhaust problem--google "vespa 250gts exhaust problem"--its a bit scary.
    Red ones always go faster but blue ones go pretty quick , but now blue ones are the way to go😄
  • 01-17-2009 10:24 AM In reply to

    Re: vespa gts 250 electrical problem

    bradr:
    wow,50000km,i have a long way to go,if ya want to know about the exhaust problem--google "vespa 250gts exhaust problem"--its a bit scary.


    The GTS250 had 61,000km on the clock when it was sold. I did a Google search as you suggested, the problem with the exhaust that you refer to is really only the need to replace the exhaust gasket each time you remove the exhaust.

    But then why would any sensible person try to re-use a gasket, common sense dictates that you always replace gaskets when re-assembling any part of an engine that "really" needs a pressure gasket such as the head, exhaust header etc.

    Piaggio released a service bulletin No 18/06 re-enforcing the need to replace the graphite gasket, so in my mind "the exhaust problem" really is a case of "look what cheap skate maintenance did to my Vespa".

    Scary ? Not in my mind as long as you follow factory recommendations.
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    David
    Vespa GTS 300 Super
  • 01-17-2009 06:10 PM In reply to

    • veggie
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    Re: vespa gts 250 electrical problem

    petegailey:
    Thanks for the tip bradr.

    havent' seen you for a while Petegailey......glad you see your yellow Vespa back!
    THE DREAM IS ALIVE!!! IT'S A VESPA AND IT'S ALL MINE!!!!
    WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

    It's name is WOW
  • 01-17-2009 06:19 PM In reply to

    • petegailey
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    Re: vespa gts 250 electrical problem

    Hi Veggie, been on holiday up the coast. I was wondering did you sort your wheel wobble out?

    Daelim NS 125: Mighty 1st scoot from Korea that punched way above its weight. Sold
    Vespa GTS 250: Modern Retro brilliance. I'll ride it til it dies.Traded in on a maxi.
    Suzuki DR650: "That Thing" Excellent Single 650 thumper chook chaser that was too tall. Sold
    Yamaha T Max: Best Maxi out there and serious canyon racer. Sold
    Triumph Bonneville: Modern Retro brilliance with the sweetest parallel twin.
    BMW F800R: The Naked Hun. Great intro into sports bikes.
    Gilera Runner FXR 180: 2 stroke scooter missile from Piaggio.
    Gilera Nexus 500. Sexy like red Italian stilettos.
    Yamaha RZ250RR: Retro Japanese 2 stroke racer.
  • 01-17-2009 06:25 PM In reply to

    • veggie
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    Re: vespa gts 250 electrical problem

    went to brookie but missed the mechanic, spoke to the guys they checked tyre pressures all good....haven't been around to leave it with them but it hasn't happened again as i generally don't go 90-100 km/h!

    you coming along tomorrow to the ride?

    THE DREAM IS ALIVE!!! IT'S A VESPA AND IT'S ALL MINE!!!!
    WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

    It's name is WOW
  • 01-17-2009 07:12 PM In reply to

    • dozer.
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    Re: vespa gts 250 electrical problem

    Motorad, welcome back. Glad to see your ok' man on a nice scoot eh? The GTs you Pa and I ride (sorry kiwi if you take offence to the term 'Pa' as I call my Dad that to stir him) are aesome scoots. It's funny to see complaints about the 250's as I read that the problem was fixed on the lecky issues in 2006 models and after. Photo of the 300 with the badge your dad sent please David.
    DOZER.
  • 01-17-2009 10:47 PM In reply to

    Re: vespa gts 250 electrical problem

    I'm sure my father has heard me call him worse names than "Pa", I often call him "Gramps" Wink

    I've got the Scooter Community Badges on both my old black GTS300 and the new white GTS300, sorry I haven't got any photos, I rarely remember to take photos of anything, much to dad's annoyance. The black one should be ready for re-sale by the time I get back to Germany, I've had to replace the very worn front guard (worn by sharp rocks) and get some panel beating underneath (caused again by sharp rocks) done and it's being re-painted and the wheels are being "restored" by an alloy wheel specialist.

    It's been fun today riding his GT200, they really do go very nicely and his has Pirelli tyres which I think are the best tyre for any of the GT 200 / GTS250 / GTS300 series and the vibration problem never seems to be evident with Pirelli like it is with other tyres.

    I was talking to an engineer in Italy about the vibration issue and he claimed Pirelli quality control was much better and that you could solve the vibration issue with other tyres if you took the time to ensure that any tyre you fitted was "perfectly round" and "ran true", apparently Contis in his opinion were quite bad in that respect and often ran way off specification, very much like a cheap Asian tyre, despite paying a premium price, according to the engineer not many tyre places had sensitive enough equipment to be able to test a tyre properly. I tried a Conti on the 300 in Kazakhstan / Ubeckistan after I destroyed a Pirelli, but with the Conti on the front the vibration was quite noticeable and I was not that sad when the Conti shat itself in roughly 300km (it couldn't stand up to the sharp rocks) and was literally torn to shreds, it was replaced with a Pirelli, I immediately noticed the vibration had disappeared.

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    David
    Vespa GTS 300 Super
  • 01-17-2009 10:51 PM In reply to

    Re: vespa gts 250 electrical problem

    motorrad:
    I'm sure my father has heard me call him worse names than "Pa", I often call him "Gramps" Wink
     

    But did you REALLY have to tell the world that you are so disrespectful that you sometimes call me "Gramps".....   hrumph ! Tongue Tied

    You forgot to mention in your post that your travelling companion in Kazakhstan / Ubeckistan was riding a GT200 and like your GT300 was super reliable, despite his GT200 already having some 30,000km on the clock before you began the adventure.

    Deklan 

    “It’s not the destination but the journey”
    Vespa GT200 in Grigio (Smokey Grey)

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