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  • 01-18-2009 01:36 AM

    • jason
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    vmoto headlight problem

     Hi all

    Just wondering if someone could help me (again!).

    I have a 2004 vmoto monza, bought 2nd hand a few months ago.

    The low-beam headlight stopped working recently, simultaneously (as I noticed, so not necessarily) with the rear tail light. Brake lights work fine, as do indicators and high beam.

    I'm not that technically minded, but I looked in the light itself (well, the casing), and saw two lights, a big one and small one. The big one worked with high beam, and on low beam (as in, the permanent one), nothing was on, so assumed that should be the little one.

    So I kind of guessed how to take it apart, guessed correctly, and took the front panel off, then got to the little globe. I took it out (looked like a christmas tree light globe!), didn't seem broken, but checked with a multimeter anyway, and there was a circuit there.

    Right now it's apart in my garage, and I was going to explore for fuses around the battery area under the feet. Searched here for clues, and nothing's come up. Oh, and of course the manual, which, as other monza users have mentioned here, is kind of funny.

    I haven't looked at the tail-light yet. Would have assumed (hoped) a broken globe, but now I'm thinking they might be linked.

    Any ideas or experiences?

    Is there a fuse box on these things?

    Cheers

    Jason

  • 01-18-2009 08:44 AM In reply to

    • RatRide
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    Re: vmoto headlight problem

    I've only just picked up my Monza. If it is like the Milan that I have, there has only ever been one fuse I could find. Remove the rubber foot panel, and then remove the small panel you see. This is the battery box. There should  be a fuse-holder of some description in here.

    Angus. 

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  • 01-18-2009 09:26 AM In reply to

    • Ned
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    Re: vmoto headlight problem

     Hi Jason where are you?

     I have a wrecked Milan in Melbourne, you can salvage any electricals that are compatible with or an upgrade on the Monza. I am happy to help you do any work if you're down this way.

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  • 01-18-2009 12:10 PM In reply to

    • jason
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    Re: vmoto headlight problem (now horn problem)

    Thanks for the replies. Very much appreciated.

    I'm in Adelaide, but thanks for the offer of a salvage (was going to say stripdown, but....) :-)

    This morning I had another good look. I actually took off the rear light housing and saw only one light... got me thinking. Took out the light (bayonet style, like a house globe) and looked inside the light for signs of damage, and couldn't immediately see anything obvious, except that there were two filaments. I got the multimeter out and the two contacts at the bottom weren't connected, but the outside of the globe was connected to one of the bottom contacts, but not the other one. I never thought about how globes worked, but my guess was that the "shield" or "earth" is actually the outside metal bit of the housing of the globe, and the other two are for the two filaments (and for electric globes, the two would then be active and passive, positive and negative, or whatever it's called). Two globes within the one. So I looked more carefully and noticed that one filament was wobbling a little, more carefully again, and it wasn't actually connected. Yay!

    So I thought that maybe that's the same for the main headlight. That wasn't quite so obvious, because the filaments weren't as simple as little springs, but I reckon it's right. The same globe does low beam and high beam. Don't know how power of a light affects the angle of it, but it probably has something to do with the reflection in the housing.

    So I'll just replace the globes. But thought I'd put this info up for anyone else searching the internet or here in case others are a little confused. I'll post up if replacing globes doesn't help. And yes, it looks like both globes went at the same time, not necessarily related.

    Now, with all that hassle and having bits hanging off the bike, the horn doesn't work. I must have bumped something. I can't even see what the horn is! I thought it was a round thing just stuck in there, not even screwed in but wedged behind something else, but turns out that's the alarm - tested it by disconnected it. I looked around the place, and looks like nothing's obviously been accidentally disconnected.

    Can anyone please tell me what the horn device looks like so I can check out the connections? Is it round? how big? and where?

    Now, after supergluing two bits of some busted plastic on the scooter, now I have black superglue all over my fingers - black because of the grease - and I've got to go and play at a jazz gig now - (I'm a piano player), which will look kind of odd and will no doubt draw comments.

    About the fuse, I'll look under the feet anyway, because it's worth looking just to see what is really down there. But is it true that there's one fuse for all the electricals? That means if all lights, alarm, horn completely stops, it must be the fuse?

    Thanks again!

    Jason

  • 01-19-2009 12:16 PM In reply to

    • jason
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    Re: vmoto headlight problem (now horn problem)

    Ok, an update (for those who may have replied and for those interested, and for the archives...)

    The rear "dual filament" globe is one that my local garage stocked. Getting my car fixed today, and brought both the headlight and taillight there, but he hadn't seen the headlight - likely a bike/scooter specific part. But if your taillight goes (either one of the two!), a car place may be closer to where you live just to buy this small part.

    Re horn, using my multimeter just to test circuits, it seemed like most of the horn circuit was working except for the "switch" or "button", whatever it's called. I got these giant car jumper leads and attached them (just) to the bike battery, then directly touched the horn and it was working, which was good (although at the time I was hoping it'd be as simple as that). But taking off the top panel wasn't as hard as I thought, and had a good poke around. It was just obviously loose, because the left handle/brake bits only had one screw in it. I always wondered why it was so loose, and assumed that if it was that easy to fix, the proper commercial (albeit cheifly motorcycle as opposed to scooter) place wouldn't just shoved in another screw which I could match from my leftovers.

    Bottom line: if something doesn't work, try tightening all the screws, and making sure they're all there!!

    I'm still confused about the fuse system in the vmoto monzas, but it doesn't really directly matter to me now. Others may be interested though.

    Cheers

    Jason

  • 01-19-2009 04:13 PM In reply to

    Re: vmoto headlight problem (now horn problem)

    Howdy Jason, nice to hear from another Monza rider here in Adelaide.

    I received your private message last week but was unable to reply via the link. It told me the post/message had been deleted or something. Anyway, I figured the best way to get back to you was by posting it here but from the sounds of things you've already made some progress anyway.


    As it happened, I finally solved the problem of the blowing headlight globes on the very day you sent your email.
    The cause of all the stress was a blown regulator. I’d already replaced it with a second hand one but that was obviously a dud too.

    The globe you need for the headlight is a 12V – 35/35 W. That’s the big one in there. Don’t worry about the small one, apparently they were disconnected after import due to some dumb Australian regulation. I just leave mine sitting in there doing nothing.

    To get the old one out, you need to remove the front nose cone, a really easy job that will only take you a couple of minutes. First, remove the four phillips head screws inside your front leg guard. There’s two each side,  one near the top and another about three quarters of the way down. You’ll then need an allen key to remove the three screws on the nose cone itself – bottom left and right side and about two thirds up in the middle. Leave the centre one until last so the weight is distributed evenly and as soon as you remove it the whole nose will lift off. The wires connecting to the headlight will still be attached, pull away the rubber protector and slide it up the wires and you can gently twist the bracket holding the globe out of the nose. The globe then just pushes and twists out like a normal household bayonet globe.

    Replace the new globe, reverse the procedure to put everything back and hey presto.

    The globes are pretty easy to come by and will only set you back between six and eight bucks depending where you get it from.

    Because I wasn’t sure first time around, I just removed the old one and took it with me to make sure.

    The official Vmoto agents in Adelaide are GC Motorcycles on Main North Road, Prospect and South Road Melrose Park and they’ll have them in stock. Martin, the guy I’ve dealt with at the Prospect store is really helpful and was happy to answer all my dumb questions. Here’s a link to their website:
    http://www.dontslipgrip.com/

    I’ve also bought globes from Bill’s Motorcycles in the city (they also have a store on the Main North Road) and they’re good too - www.billsmotorcycles.com.au/

    All your other globes (indicator/tail light etc) and fuses are available from any auto parts store like Sprint or Super Cheap.

    And yes, there is only one fuse on the Monza and you'll find in the battery recess.

    As for speeding things up, I’ve been researching this for over two years and have pretty much given up on that. My Monza sits nicely on about 60kph on the flat and without spending around $500 on bits and pieces (and then having the expertise to fit them) there’s not much else that can be done. Go to
    http://www.scooterhq.com.au/ and have a look at “Turn your Monza Into A Monzsta” in the performance section – they also have pics of the exhausts and variator kit that they use. If I lived on the Gold Coast I’d be tempted to get them to do the job, but nobody in Adelaide seems interested. The dealerships that specialise in performance scooters won’t work on a Vmoto (I’ve asked).

    Having said all that, I reckon my Monza is a pretty good scoot despite some of the minor frustrations and unless I win the lottery, I’ll be hanging onto it for a while. It’s done around 8,600k’s, the motor is still really strong and best of all it’s heaps of fun to ride.


    Hope all that helps, if not feel free to email me back. I’m happy to help if I can. I have a service manual as a pdf file if you’re interested. Most of it is double dutch to me and it’s quite a large file, but if you’d like it let me know and I’ll forward it.

    Cheers, Rob.

  • 01-19-2009 05:30 PM In reply to

    • RatRide
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    Re: vmoto headlight problem (now horn problem)

    Cantona7:
    Go to http://www.scooterhq.com.au/ and have a look at “Turn your Monza Into A Monzsta” in the performance section

    I recently bought a 2nd hand Monza which had the Monzta kit fitted by Scooter HQ. It is quick. I actually have to keep looking at the speedo to make sure I am doing the limit. With my Milan, it is just a two position throttle: off and full. Hills are no problem...

    Cantona7:
    I have a service manual as a pdf file if you’re interested. Most of it is double dutch to me and it’s quite a large file, but if you’d like it let me know and I’ll forward it.

    Hot diggidy: Can I get a copy of the manual? Is it the service manual or just the user manual?

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  • 01-20-2009 02:23 PM In reply to

    • jason
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    Re: vmoto headlight problem (now horn problem)

    Thanks for the replies. I found a globe at a bike shop, no worries, so all I need to do now is to screw stuff back together.

    I didn't need any allen keys to take apart any part of the "shell" though. There is a screw/bolt missing, however, from the very front/nose of the bike, from the time I got it, and was going to see if any of my leftover screws would fit - it stays together atm, but I guess if it's there it should probably get used.

    Speeding things up: yes, I'm not ultra bothered, but going up hills with a pillion can be a struggle. I took the easy looking pipes of the exhaust off (going from the hull of the bike to the opening to the fat bit next to the wheel) to see if there were any obvious washers there, but there wasn't, so I stuck it back on. I reckon one day I'll pluck up the courage to take the variator apart, although I don't have an impact wrench or "special tool" as the service manual says.

    On the service manual: I have the two parts too, thanks. I was emailed them very kindly by Brendon from ScooterHQ. Each of the two pdf files are around 3.5Mb. I don't mind emailing to other people if I had an address, or I have a feeling that Brendon seems willing to help too. I've found it less helpful than I'd really like, but it certainly can't hurt having on the computer.

    Now, I'm about to put the new globe in the bolt the mainly plastic thing back together. Then I might go for a ride and buy a summer jacket do I don't faint whilst riding in the heat (although watching on the telly others in Melbourne brave the heat in the Australian Open is rather tempting too...)

    Cheers

    Jason

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