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Last post 04-02-2009 09:28 AM by Scooter HQ. 86 replies.
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  • 03-31-2009 10:04 PM In reply to

    experience

     

    i know that over the last 3 weeks of Friday night rides there have been a number of rides that have learned 'unteachable with out riding' lessons  and gained alot of  and skills from being and riding with others in a relaxed open style on quiet open streets.

      lessons that reading and watching cant teach, riding is hands on and other than the core knowledge no one can learn corner speed and braking tecnique without riding ( and crashing) or near to crashing. im all for extra curicular teaching but to say you need to reed to ride aint it.

    ♥Jrazik out...
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  • 04-01-2009 12:21 AM In reply to

    • kog
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    Re: experience

    correct me if i'm wrong... but how many videos are going to be able to teach me the point which my tyres lose traction in the wet (or dry for that matter) .... now i've still got a hell of alot to learn and could probably do with a copy of the cd, but no rider training could teach me the difference between the tyres i have now and ones i will use in the future. I cannot think of any possible way someone can teach me how it feels to lose traction ... they can only tell/show me what i should be doing, when it happens, to recover.

    I have learnt heaps about riding on the few rides i have been on, but i think I would have had a few offs by now if i had never done training. Then again, i wouldn't know what the limits of my scoot are without being on the road and riding.

    Anyway... whens the last rider training that you've been to that had you sitting in a room all day reading Stick out tongue

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  • 04-01-2009 01:31 PM In reply to

    Re: experience

    kog:
    videos are going to be able to teach me

    The theory behind the technique. If you fully understand the physics of riding then the practical comes a lot easier. If you've ever done advanced training there is plenty of theory before you get to cut loose with practical. Then when things start to happen you get why & can react accordingly.

    The creative dismount one rider had downhill in the wet on one of those friday night rides was in my opinion directly attributable to incorrect braking technique. Fixed that giving him an understanding of braking. He has the theory & now is equipped to go practise, I bet he can stop in less half the distance with twice the control than before.

    Videos & other material are great but I think you need to have a solid foundation (Pro training first) before they start to make sense.

    Knowledge is power

     

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  • 04-01-2009 02:41 PM In reply to

    • RatRide
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    Re: experience

    As with most education, theory and practice go hand in hand. You can learn all the theory you want, but until you have applied that theory in the real world, it is is only knowledge and not wisdom or instinct.

    Wisdom/Experience is the ability to know which piece of knowledge to use at which point. Factor this into motorbike or scooter riding where the application of theory/knowledge has less than a second to come from brain to action, and the learning of theory must be converted to instinct. There is no way you can balance front and rear braking strength coming into a corner whilst down-shifting gears from learning how to. You can learn the theory on how to do it, and it must then be practised and practised until it is part of your instincts. You don't need to think on how to do something, it just happens.

    Ever avoided an accident without knowing how you did it? Part of it is down to luck and the remaining part to instinct and execution of practiced knowledge. The luck/instinct ratio can be found by doing the same thing again and seeing what the outcome is. Big Smile

    In the words of Gary Player (argument abounds on who actually said it) in response to a question about his extremely lucky bunker shot, "the more I practice, the luckier I get"

    P.S: All the experience in the world can be over-ridden by a moment of stupity.(before someone brings up me breaking my ankle. Stick out tongue)

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  • 04-01-2009 03:42 PM In reply to

    • kog
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    Re: experience

    To Scooter HQ:  You've quoted me 'out of context' .

    I agree that the more theory you know the better it is.. but it has its limits...

    for example:

    A sports scientist may be able to tell you every detail about how you swing a golf club, from the energy used, force applied, ball speed height and travel etc.... but does that mean he could beat Tiger Woods at the next masters... so whos the better golfer... Woods or the scientist? But would Woods be as good as he is without the scientist telling him how to improve.

    Also, natural talent plays a major part in skill and ability.... even if I spent the next 10 years studying nothing but riding, i highly doubt i would be able to beat Rossi around a track.

    Anyway, I think Ratride explained more clearly what i was trying to say in my ealier post.

    Knowledge is power when applied in the right situation. Its quite easy to over complicate a simple task Stick out tongue

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  • 04-01-2009 04:21 PM In reply to

    Re: experience

    kog:
    To Scooter HQ:  You've quoted me 'out of context' .

    kog:
    even if I spent the next 10 years studying nothing but riding, i highly doubt i would be able to beat Rossi around a track.

    Talk about out of context, you should always measure your performance against your potential. I mentioned Rossi because if he has a coach so should the rest of us. Some guys are complete tossers & won't take advice from anyone, even if they are doing something that will cause them to crash, eventually. Seriously if you make even the slightest comment some take it like a threat to their manhood.

    I do training every year because I'm allergic to sliding down the bitumen on my ***, I've set aside a little time next week in fact with Australian Motorcycle Academy. I'm passionate about scooters & riding. The most frustrating part of my job is dealing with avoidable off's. Ultimately it's your *** on the line not mine.

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  • 04-01-2009 05:37 PM In reply to

    • kog
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    Re: experience

    Scooter HQ:

    kog:
    To Scooter HQ:  You've quoted me 'out of context' .

    kog:
    even if I spent the next 10 years studying nothing but riding, i highly doubt i would be able to beat Rossi around a track.

    Talk about out of context, you should always measure your performance against your potential. I mentioned Rossi because if he has a coach so should the rest of us. Some guys are complete tossers & won't take advice from anyone, even if they are doing something that will cause them to crash, eventually. Seriously if you make even the slightest comment some take it like a threat to their manhood.

    I do training every year because I'm allergic to sliding down the bitumen on my ***, I've set aside a little time next week in fact with Australian Motorcycle Academy. I'm passionate about scooters & riding. The most frustrating part of my job is dealing with avoidable off's. Ultimately it's your *** on the line not mine.

    Ok... i hate text only communication for this particular reason.. wires get crossed soo easy.

    Brendon... i was not trying to quote you about Rossi.. actually i cant even see anywhere in this thread where you mentioned Rossi at all, but i may have missed it. If so my apologies. My comment about Rossi was only meant to highlight potential ie. i will never be as good as him because i dont have the natural ability he does, and in no way was meant to relate to anything you had said.

    I Totally Agree with you about rider training, I have done training (even though it was many years ago) and plan on doing it again. I was right in front of the rider that had the off and knew exactly why it happened without having to see it, thanks to the training.

    I think where our wires are getting crossed is... i'm talking about Theory VS Practice and that you cant have one without the other, theory is useless unless applied and vice versa. Rider training, as far as i am aware, contains both theory and practice... no???? The reason i said you had taken me out of context was i thought that you had missunderstood my post...obviously i had missunderstood yours Embarrassed

    PS: I am not one of those tossers, and i have never been delusional about how little my manhood is Stick out tongue

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  • 04-01-2009 06:11 PM In reply to

    Re: experience

    kog:
    PS: I am not one of those tossers, and i have never been delusional about how little my manhood is Stick out tongue

    Big Smile

    That wasn't aimed at anyone in particular & I certainly wasn't out to offend. Thing is most guys have an overinflated view of their riding prowess, the amount of guys who can ride but are unable to tell you which one is the front brake then say the rear does the work anyway is amazing. Even read a post by a scooter forum administrator (not this one) saying the rear brake on the GP1 is bigger & more effective than the front....Indifferent Aaaarrgh

    I'd had a line in there saying Rossi & Stoner have riding coaches so we all should have too, but deleted it as it came across all wrong.

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  • 04-01-2009 06:24 PM In reply to

    • kog
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    Re: experience

    lol... if find it strange that people would even think that... braking theory is the same in both cars and bikes... I mean what happens when you yank hard on your park lever in a car when going at any reasonable speed... fishtail... spin ....crash ... even on a pushie your rear is mostly useless when you need to stop quickly.

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  • 04-01-2009 07:22 PM In reply to

    Re: experience

     As the guy who had the forementioned off I have been watching his discussion with interest, I think all posters here are saying the same thing u need a mix of theory and practical experience,,,,

    I am happy to get advice of anybody and that to me is the real value of hanging with the scooter community !!!! 

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  • 04-01-2009 07:47 PM In reply to

    Re: experience

     yep thats what our rides are for ...fun   experience   socialising    and    skills

     we have a range of car drivers on scooters,  liscenced scooter riders,  motorcyclists and others,   all with a different level and angles of knowledge.

    ♥Jrazik out...
    clik
  • 04-02-2009 09:28 AM In reply to

    Re: experience

    Yes

    LOL Skelz new avatar, dry mate very dry.

     

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