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Daelim S1 - Red and Brand New!!!

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  • 06-21-2009 09:18 PM

    Daelim S1 - Red and Brand New!!!

    Well-I did it! I got my brand new Daelim S1 from Ace Scooters on Saturday! And I must say I'm not disappointed!!! This scoot certainly has the capability to be everything I expected from it-urban commuting tool to joyride heaven! I'll put my review up here and, as this is my very first attempt, please be gentle with me!!

    My first impressions were that this was a well made machine. The quality and fit of the panels is excellent. The paintwork is great. The seat is comfy and the riding position is, for me, just right. I am 178cm (5'10""in the old money) and my knees have planty of room! I like the very slight forward lean the machine creates. I feel very visible in traffic and I think the machine has plenty of presence on the road. I can get both feet down on the road when stationary too.

    I worked out my ride home to take me directly through the centre of the city. From Joondalup, I got onto Wanneroo Road and followed this right into town. I rode through Northbridge and down William Street, over the horseshoe bridge and then up Wellington Street to East Perth. From there, I went over the Causeway Bridge and turned onto the Albany Highway in Vic Park. I stayed on the highway all the way home.  All-in-all, the door-to-door distance was 62km on a good range of roads and traffic conditions. The weather on Saturday was wet and windy, although when I rode it stayed pretty dry apart from a small amount of drizzle. The roads were a mixture of wet and dry.

    Wanneroo Rd is a major thoroughfare from the Northern suburbs of Perth into the city centre. It has various speed limits from 60 to 80, so I thought it would be a good way home! I must admit, when I left Ace I was quite timid on the scoot. I just kept thinking "`New tyres, release agent, wet roads-WHOA nelly!!" How long do you think that lasted.....? After about five minutes riding the stupid, joker-style grin had crept over my face! This scoot is a hoot! It is well planted on the road and felt really predictable! The brakes were pretty good and my confidence in the handling was growing every second. For the first couple of traffic lights I didn't filter. I wanted to get an idea of just how the scoot would fire off the line, so I stayed in my lane and did a few practice starts to judge my takeoff against the cars around me. Didn't take me long to find the S1 is fairly swift of the line!!

    When I finally went to the front, I was confident about the scoot's ability to get clear. While the S1 is nippy, I have so far found that, from a standing start, there is a bit of a 'lag'' before the power REALLY kicks in. Off the line the scoot moves OK but it takes that second before things really get going. Once the power kicks in, the Daelim fairly leapt down the road! This was the same on all terrain conditions-flat, uphill, downhill. Now, being a brand new scoot, it could be this 'lag' is due to the tightness of the engine.... Or simply me having to get used to how CVT really works. In any event, I didn't feel in danger from the cagers. On the entire journey home, only one car equalled me off the line and that was a V8 Commodore - so I'd expect that! It's a good job he was in the other lane! This speed off the line is very important, as it lets the cagers know that you're not a lawnmower on wheels to be mowed down AND it helps establish your road position quickly. As scooternut said the other day, if someone wants to overtake the bloody scoot, they'll do it regardless. But if you show the cars you can travel at what they would deem to be a 'legitimate roadusers' speed' (ie: THEIR speed!!), then, in my opinion, they'll be less likely to run you down for the sake of it! Must add here that, at a set of lights in front of Carousel, a BEAUTIFUL Triumph Speed Triple filtered up to the front of the other lane and I got an agreeable nod from the rider! Kudos to the S1!!!!

    What I love about this scoot is its roll-on performance. From any speed, twist the throttle and the S1 just...., well, in the words of Kylie Mole: "She goes, she goes, she goes - she just goes!" Ride at 60, open up and-whoosh!!! That sweeeeet exhaust note kicks in and the bike takes off! Now, let's be relative about this! I'm not talking 60 to 160 in 2.1 seconds!! It IS a 125 after all!!! But the pulling power of the engine is sure and smooth enough to pull you around an abling cager before they have realised what you have done! There is no lag with the S1's roll-on performance. The engine spins sweetly - perhaps because it an oversquare engine (bore bigger than stroke) and doesn't want to stop. I got to 100 today and there was still more to give. I would expect roll-on performace at the top of the speed range to be more modest, but I haven't been game to REALLY test that out yet due to the newness of the engine. But in those commuting speeds, this bike's got it where it counts!

    I have also noticed there appears to be a lot of 'natural' engine braking with this scoot. What I mean is, when I close off the throttle approaching a corner or a roundabout, the scoot slows quite quickly without the aid of brakes. If fact, today I was barely using my brakes at all! The scoot was slowing to a cornering speed and so there was no need. Simply enjoy the corner and-WHOOSH!! out the other side!! I also got a tad more adventurous with the handling today as the roads were dry around where I live. I started to lean the scoot more (but still thinking tyre release compound-easy tiger!!) and was rewarded with some sure cornering. Although not scraping the exhaust (yet??!), the S1 went round twisties with poise and solidity. Ne'er a twitch to be felt! Filtering past the stationary traffic in town and around Carousel in Cannington was easy as! At slow speeds, the bike felt poised and happy. I used a combination of left hand brake and throttle to control my speed in between the cagers and never felt at risk.

    Storage-wise, the underseat area is a bit TARDIS-like! I seem to be able to cram heaps of shopping in there! My new Nolan N42 helmet and gloves fit in there with room to spare. I love the little light that comes on when the seat is opened too! I fitted a 33L Givi topbox to add to the overall storage. Yes-I fitted it! The shop was SOOO busy on Saturday, Steve kindly lent me his tools and let me work out the back whilst he sold heaps of Vespas!! The key operated little glovebox is perfect for house keys, mobile phone - even a Nintendo DS Lite will fit in there! So I'll be able to fill it up with loads of crap in no time! Nice touch having a 12v DC outlet in there too!

    The centre stand is a breeze to operate. Seems like I just have to tap my toe on it and the scoot rocks back quickly and surely. Very little lifting on the passenger grabrail is necessary. I just have to hold on to it to steady things. Can't tell you how the light works at night yet cos I haven't been out in darkness. Will post when I've done this-basketball on Thursday night is a possiblity. After spending well over an hour riding home, I can say the seat is great! No hardness to be felt at all after that length of time. The horn is loud and easy to operate. If only the indicator switch underneath was as big!!

    Now-it wouldn't be a review if there wasn't some evenhandness. There are some things about the Daelim I think need improving. As just mentioned, the indicator switch has issues!.It is just a little too far away from the handgrip for my liking. I'm finding I have to shift my hand slightly to turn it both on and off. I'm also finding the 'off' functionality a little unpredictable. Sometimes it seems like I have pressed off but it hasn't worked. It seems there is very little actual movement in the switch, so the press has to be spot on to work. I think there is a little getting used to my new gloves involved here, but the ergonomics of the switch position is just a little wrong for my pure riding pleasure. The mirrors are rock solid - no vibration whatsoever! But, in Steve's very true words (cough, cough) I am a 'broadshouldered' guy and I have found the S1's mirrors are not quite wide enough. I felt this when I test rode, but it's easily fixable. I have already attached two two inch convex blind spot mirrors and I can see great now!

    The brakes are also proving to be something I need to get used to. The combined functionality is GREAT! I LOVE the stopping power there. But on their own, the brakes are already feeling a tad 'wooden'. I'm finding I have to give a REALLY good tug on either lever to pull the scoot up. I read somewhere during my research on the S1 that aftermarket pads do improve the stopping power, so that might be something to look into. However, I appreciate the newness of the scoot is something I have to get used to as well. Brakes have to 'bed in', right? In any event, I have no fear of locking up the brakes, which is VERY important to me. But I'll continue to keep an eye on this.

    Overall, for me and my needs, this is money well spent! The fun factor is priceless! And I think my wife wants one now as well! Yes Yes Yes

    A very BIG thanks to Steve at Ace for all his help with my endless questions and requests! This guy is totally priceless and is FANTASTIC to deal with! It pays to choose your dealer I think!

    A definate thumbs up for the S1. If you're in the market for a pacy, racy, feature-laden 125, you must get yourself on one of these before you buy!

    With the very kindest regards

    Live the Dream - Ride a Scoot!! Preferably a Daelim S1!!! Troy Corser knows how good these scoots are, cos he's got one!!!!!
  • 06-21-2009 09:35 PM In reply to

    • pyrah
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    • Flinders ranges SA
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    Re: Daelim S1 - Red and Brand New!!!

    Big Smile Nice summery of your first ride on your Daelim S1 glad you like it . I lived on Wanneroo road for 3 months in 1999 commuted into town on a DT175 so that brought back memory's . is Steve forgetting is Scottish heritage lending out tools and not renting them out Big Smile 

    Grow old disgracefully
  • 06-21-2009 10:04 PM In reply to

    Re: Daelim S1 - Red and Brand New!!!

    Good review Jubbo! Well done! I hope you'll come along on a group ride soon.

    Never a truer word was said about our Steve. He's a real character, a wonderful person, a great source for information of scooters in all their flavours including the classics.

    Just a shame he can't make a drinkable cup of coffee Wink

    Wanda
    Today 50 (traded in at 2,500km), Montego (stolen), Fly (sold at 2,500km), Le Grande (sold at 7,000km), Vespa PX (sold at 200km), Vespa GTS250ie (28,000km & still loving it!)

     


     

  • 06-22-2009 06:38 AM In reply to

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     Fantastic review. I havnt ridden an  S1 for about a year now and reading your review brought it all back. The good thing is Daelims just get better and better. They love to be ridden in all sorts of conditions and youre so lucky to have an Ace in your hand as well. Enjoy!

    Traded in the Daelim for a Suzuki DR650. Thinking about selling the Suzuki coz I got the T Max: Keeping the Vespa GTS250ie though coz it's a classic.
  • 06-22-2009 07:22 AM In reply to

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    Umm? I wonder how Steve's wife feels about that?

    I blame the Cuttlefish!

    Wanda
    Today 50 (traded in at 2,500km), Montego (stolen), Fly (sold at 2,500km), Le Grande (sold at 7,000km), Vespa PX (sold at 200km), Vespa GTS250ie (28,000km & still loving it!)

     


     

  • 06-23-2009 01:01 PM In reply to

    • Tubsta
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    Re: Daelim S1 - Red and Brand New!!!

     Great review, very comprehensive and pretty will spot on.

    You brakes will get better with age.  Takes about 1000km for the rotors to bed in properly at which point, breaking will become eye-popping.

    Enjoy your ride!

    "Being cold is the result of laziness" - Bunta Fujiwara

    Current ride: Yamaha XT660Z Tenere.
    Gone: Piaggio MP3 400ie, too unreliable in the rain (think Italian electrics).

    ScooterZine
  • 06-23-2009 07:02 PM In reply to

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    Was it you that I spotted heading towards Canning Vale this afternoon? I was on my hot red Don (Vespa) wearing a fluoro yellow raincoat & a silver full face helmet heading back towards Perth. If it was you look awesome on that scoot. Well done getting out despite the rain & wind. Yes
    Wanda
    Today 50 (traded in at 2,500km), Montego (stolen), Fly (sold at 2,500km), Le Grande (sold at 7,000km), Vespa PX (sold at 200km), Vespa GTS250ie (28,000km & still loving it!)

     


     

  • 06-23-2009 08:26 PM In reply to

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    Twas me alright!!

    That Red Vespa caught my eye immediately!! Beautiful scoot!!!

    Thanks for the big nod too!! Hope you saw mine in return!!

    I've ridden in worse - snow and freezing sleet for starters!! - but of course that's no cause for complacency! I will add the Armadillo jacket I got from Steve is doing its job perfectly in this weather too!!'

    Oh-thanks for your complement too!! I think your shade of red is better than mine tho...! Crying

    It was lovely to see you on the road!

    With the very kindest regards!

    Live the Dream - Ride a Scoot!! Preferably a Daelim S1!!! Troy Corser knows how good these scoots are, cos he's got one!!!!!
  • 06-24-2009 07:49 PM In reply to

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    Quick update: Went to the servo this afternoon and crammed 6.6l of premium in the tank. Scoot has done 194kms, so pretty much 3.3L / 100km fuel consumption so far! I don't think that's too bad on a brand new engine!

    Still happy as a proverbial pig in it with the performance in this soggy Perth weather!

    With the very kindest regards 

    Live the Dream - Ride a Scoot!! Preferably a Daelim S1!!! Troy Corser knows how good these scoots are, cos he's got one!!!!!
  • 06-29-2009 05:48 PM In reply to

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    Hi all, as an ex West Aussie I found this post bringing back memories of familiar roads - used to ride a pushy from Beldon to the Zoo for work.  I've been checking out the various forums for a while now and they have been a great help to me selecting a scooter - in the end I too had to go with the Daelim S1 (in white - looks awesome). 

    I looked at the Piaggio Fly 125 (nice engine, but unexciting), SYM VS125 (great under seat storage but tiny fuel tank, heavy - plus the style didn't quite do it for me, a bit 'mantis-ish' and also that BIG disc up front is a bit of a con isn't it?).  Once I saw the Daelim in the shop I was sold - fuel injection, discs front and rear, good storage and great looks.  The extra $'s over the others seemed more than good value.

    I've had it since the beginning of May and have done nearly 1,200km and loved every ride.  The only previous experience I had with a scooter was a one day hire of a 50cc Piaggio Liberty in Sardinia last year - now that was an experience!  So while I don't have much riding experience I have to agree with everything Jubbo70 says - this scooter just makes you feel so confident, the handling is great, brakes positive and acceleration more than adequate.  I just go out and find the twistiest bit of road I can find for the fun of it.  You'll find the lights great when you get to use them too as I had my first night ride a few days(?) ago.  I also like the 'aggressive' but understated look - there is nothing superfluous on this scoot - clean and simple (I'm not a fan of garish decals all over the body work - but maybe that's an age thing).  Also, I have found that the suspension 'settles' after some riding and, now, even my 5'2" wife can ride it comfortably (but she has now gone and bought an Aprilia SportCity One 125 - fits like a glove for those of you vertically challenged).  Fuel consuption on the S1 has been very consistent - but has been as low as 3.0L/100km and have got as much as 270km from a tank. 

    I have just a few minor gripes.  The speedo overreads by a good 10-12% according to my TomTom I hooked up one day, so it means I ride at an indicated 70 in a 60 zone, 90 in a 80, etc - but I believe this is a common problem with many scooters.  Pity they can't make them read more accurately - and does anyone know if that then makes the odometer overread as well?.  The bag hook is pretty naf - the 'split ring' type I have seen on other scoots make much more sense.  One big bump with this hook and your shopping is on the road if you don't have a good grip with your feet.

    But these things are minor and don't really take away any of the enjoyment I get from riding the thing.  The best thing I can say is that I haven't once gone - 'oh, bugger - I wish and gone and bought a ....  The S1 is really that good and I would recommend it to anyone considering something in the 125-150cc class.

     


  • 06-29-2009 06:27 PM In reply to

    • pyrah
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    Re: Daelim S1 - Red and Brand New!!!

    From what i can gather most  speedos read fast but odometers are fairly accurate

    Grow old disgracefully
  • 06-29-2009 08:00 PM In reply to

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    Hey 1SmileaD!

    Congrats on your scoot! I love the white!!

    We've had absolutely dreadful weather here in Perth over the last week, but I am still beaming from ear-to-ear on my daily rides!

    I have used my scoot every day since buying it, no matter what the conditions were..... When we have a dry spell, I feel soooo confident on the S1! It corners beautifully and feels extremely planted on the road! I love leaning it over in the twisties!!!!

    Even in the wet, the scoot feels solid, although I am being very cautious, so not leaning very much...

    I am tending to agree with you about the speedo.... I followed my wife into Perth on the weekend and I saw over 90 on the speedo. But when I told her how fast she was going, she said she was nowhere near that!!! More like 80....!  I would like to get hold of a GPS unit and test for myself, but that's for another day!!

    I have a 33L Givi topbox on my scoot, so have yet to use the bag hook. With the box, I can get close to a week's worth of shopping in all the orifices of the scoot!!!! And even that glovebox is proving ultra handy!!!

    Am working through my second tank of fuel at the mo, so when I fill up on Wed I'll calculate the ongoing fuel economy again!

    With the very kindest regards

     

    Live the Dream - Ride a Scoot!! Preferably a Daelim S1!!! Troy Corser knows how good these scoots are, cos he's got one!!!!!
  • 07-03-2009 11:22 AM In reply to

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    Just thought I'd provide some numbers I have calculated for fuel economy on the S1.  I have completed four fills, not including the one immediately after I picked the scooter up as I don't know how full it was in the first place.  The first two were with premium unleaded, the third and fourth with regular.  The way I figure it I get a good 5-6% better fuel economy on premium than on regular fuel (3.1L/100km vs 3.3 L/100km average) and premium costs on average about 8-10% more.  However, given that this equates to about a $1.00 per fill (maybe a whole $30 in the year) I think I'll go back to the premium fuel.  I'm pretty sure my methodology is sound and my riding habits have been reasonably consistent and given that the premium fuel was used first the results may even improve now the engine is better run-in.  I'm sure the better fuel will have more benefits for the engine than just a few more k's per tank, like keeping the injector and engine internals cleaner.  Has anyone got an opinion on this - and would it be worth paying the extra premium for the fuel like BP Ultimate (100 octane) and the like?  Maybe I'll just give it a go anyway for the sake of a few $'s for the next few fills.

  • 07-03-2009 01:37 PM In reply to

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    Its my experience that on carbied engines normal unleaded (not the Ethenol) is fine, for the injected engines go the higher octanes.
    Traded in the Daelim for a Suzuki DR650. Thinking about selling the Suzuki coz I got the T Max: Keeping the Vespa GTS250ie though coz it's a classic.
  • 07-28-2009 08:09 PM In reply to

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    Hi all!

    Well, have just clocked up 1000kms and thought I'd add my thoughts about the Daelim.

    I love it!!!! Stick out tongue

    I have ridden in all the weather the Perth winter has so far thown at us, and the S1 has stood up to it all brilliantly! It feels poised and solid on the road, but I will add that I do not try to get the knee down in the corners when its raining. On the other hand, when its dry, well, let's just say I'm getting some wear on the outside of my tyres!!!

    Fuel-wise, economy is improving all the time. I'm only running it on Premium (98 RON) and here's what I have done to date

    Fill 1: 6.60L added after 194.0km riding; 29.4km/L or 3.4L/100km   

    Fill 2: 8.33L added after 251.4km riding; 30.2km/L or 3.3L/100km    

    Fill 3: 8.08L added after 244.4km riding; 30.25km/L or 3.3L/100km 

    Fill 4: 8.40L added after 270.9km riding; 32.25km/L or 3.1L/100km   

    I haven't yet played around with the rear suspension setting as everything seems fine with that right now. I'm loving the storage, both under the seat and in the 33L Givi box. Can get LOADS of shopping in there! Maximum for the box so far was nine (9) bottles of wine, but I reckon I can squeeze in another couple, possibly even a dozen! As or writing, I havent used the bag hook on the front.

    When I first wrote about the scoot, I had issues with the brakes. I thought they were a bit 'wooden'. However, now we've had some dry spells and I've put them to the test, I revise my opinion....

    By crikey-the combined braking system (CBS) is GOOD! When you pull on both handles, the anchors bring the S1 to a stop very fast and surely. Using the brakes singly - ie: right or left only - provides steady but unexceptionaly stopping. I dare say feel could be improved with braided hoses (although I guess I'd have to do the additional hose on the front brake cos of the CBS...?), but, in all honesty, I don't think you need it. The natural engine braking combined with the CBS is plenty enough to slow the Daelim down. If I'm travelling at speed (70+) I find snapping shut the throttle slows the bike really well, then the rest of the speed can be taken off with the brakes if needed (ie: through an empty roundabout or something like that).

    I also didn't think the switchgear-particularly the indicator-was brilliant. I must say I'm still not enamoured of this particular switch, but I have gotten used to it. Turning left is easier than turning right.... I guess that has something to do with my thumb position. It's definately easier to 'drag' the switch to the left than to 'push' it to the right. It's almost as if the switch is angled a little, more to the left than the right, cos when you try to slide it over to make the RH turn, there's a resistance there-like the switch won't slide easilly.... I find myself 'lifting' the switch slightly with my thumb when going right. 

    Through the cold winter mornings, the starting has never failed me! The Daelim springs into life first push of the starter button. And so does my smile!!! Big Smile

    Had the 500km service done few weeks ago now.... The mechanic at Ace let me help and talked me through a few things! The plug was the right colour and there wasn't very many metal filings in the oil at all!

    This scoot does everything I want it to do with poise and confidence. When I open the throttle - she goes! When I pull on the brakes - she stops! When I lean in the corners, she tracks well and does not feel off balanced at all! She even changes directions nimbly! I am simply adoring entering and exiting empty roundabouts now! I'm also lucky I have a few of those clayton's roundabouts on my route. You know-the one's that don't go all the way round.... They have an entrance, another at 90 degrees and then the exit, 180 degrees from the entrance.... I guess they're really crooked corners! Anyway-THEY make my journey worthwhile every day!!!!

    I'm really happy I spent the extra money and bought a Daelim as opposed to a cheaper (read: Chinese) scoot. It will take me longer to get my money back in petrol savings, but I think the fun I'm having will make that OHHHH so sweet a wait!!!

    Roll on summer!

    With the very kindest regards

                                                                                                                             

     

    Live the Dream - Ride a Scoot!! Preferably a Daelim S1!!! Troy Corser knows how good these scoots are, cos he's got one!!!!!
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