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Last post 03-25-2012 12:19 AM by pyrah. 19 replies.
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  • 09-01-2011 07:54 PM

    When is small too small?

     In a cross-comparison of 'maxi' scooters I came across some specs for the Manhattan 300 maxi. With a weight of 157kgs and a length of 2080 can a scooter that size be expected to be safe for the novice or for anyone else on 12" wheels?  Maybe bike trainer wheels come as a free accesory. Wonders never cease - Cheers

  • 09-01-2011 08:08 PM In reply to

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  • 03-23-2012 10:41 PM In reply to

    • razoo
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    Re: When is small too small?

    tonyr:
     In a cross-comparison of 'maxi' scooters I came across some specs for the Manhattan 300 maxi. With a weight of 157kgs and a length of 2080 can a scooter that size be expected to be safe for the novice or for anyone else on 12" wheels?

    I'm wondering if anyone here has had any experience of the Manhattan 300i scooter? I looks ok as a cheap day to day city commuter.

    Specifications are not too different from something like a Honda Forza (although quality is obviously not going to be in the same league). Are 12" wheels really a big problem for a larger scoot?

    Daelim S1 + Peugeot Geopolis 400
  • 03-23-2012 10:59 PM In reply to

    • petegailey
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    Re: When is small too small?

    Its a dog IMHO! I took one for a test ride. It wouldnt go over 90k/h indicated and felt positively hairy at that speed. All plastic chrome and whistles. Not really suitable for Australian conditions and not worth considering. There are heaps of better options in the 300 class.

    Daelim NS 125: Mighty 1st scoot from Korea that punched way above its weight. Sold
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  • 03-23-2012 11:04 PM In reply to

    • razoo
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    Re: When is small too small?

    Thanks Pete, a bit of first hand experience is worth its weight in gold.

    Many a nightmare has begun with the immortal words: "I came across a cheap one on fleabay..."

    Daelim S1 + Peugeot Geopolis 400
  • 03-24-2012 12:06 AM In reply to

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    11KW from a 300 thats got to be a joke IMHO it would be $4990 thrown away

  • 03-24-2012 11:21 AM In reply to

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     Re Manhattan,

    If I recall......I don't have the current scooter mag in front of me..... in the article about the Sydney Scooter Day at St Ives, the reviewer spoke of the many scooters that he/she rode on that day.

    Why were the Manhattans not reviewed ? Because by the time that the reviewer got around to his turn for a test drive, both had broken down.

    Someone who has the current mag may wish to check that .

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  • 03-24-2012 12:01 PM In reply to

    • razoo
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    Re: When is small too small?

     

    Ok, scratch the Manhattan.

    Moving up the food chain a little, has anyone come across the TGB Xmotion 250. It's obviously somewhat better than the Manhattan, but is it good enough to come into consideration?

    Daelim S1 + Peugeot Geopolis 400
  • 03-24-2012 12:04 PM In reply to

    • razoo
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    Re: When is small too small?

    Ok, scratch the Manhattan.

    Moving a little higher up the food chain, has anyone had any experience of the TGB Xmotion 250? It's obviously better than the Manhattan, but is it good enough to be a serious contender for purchase?

    Daelim S1 + Peugeot Geopolis 400
  • 03-24-2012 01:14 PM In reply to

    Re: When is small too small?

    Devil Think its classed as a 300 at 264cc but saying that a Scarabeo 200 makes more power & can be bought cheaper Big Smile

  • 03-24-2012 05:52 PM In reply to

    • emil_io
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    Re: When is small too small?

    This Scooter is utter rubbish. 11kw? Are they joking...

    That review is ridiculous too. It fails to point out that anyone that buys this scooter will most likely be very dissapointed for a number of reasons...and probably completly turned off scooters...

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  • 03-24-2012 06:49 PM In reply to

    Re: When is small too small?

    http://www.thescootershop.net.au/NewScooters/tabid/5748/mid/6491/ctl/details/adid/11219/Default.aspx

    This is the best value maxi on the market @ $6k rideaway. I doubt this would be producing 11 hp more like 25-30hp (17.2 killer wasps), however add another grand for an exdemo Vespa 250 Big Smile

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  • 03-24-2012 07:07 PM In reply to

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    danceswithdingoes:

    http://www.thescootershop.net.au/NewScooters/tabid/5748/mid/6491/ctl/details/adid/11219/Default.aspx

    This is the best value maxi on the market @ $6k rideaway. I doubt this would be producing 11 hp more like 25-30hp (17.2 killer wasps), however add another grand for an exdemo Vespa 250 Big Smile

     

     Tongue Tied TGB Xmotion 300 17.2 HP $5990

    Scarabeo 200 19HP $5490 (at same place)

  • 03-24-2012 08:30 PM In reply to

    • razoo
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    Re: When is small too small?

    TGB Xmotion 250 is 21.40 hp. The 300 is 23.07 hp (16.8 kW)) @ 7500 rpm

    My main query was what's it like to ride. There are very few reviews to be found on the web although aparently it sells well in Europe.

    Daelim S1 + Peugeot Geopolis 400
  • 03-24-2012 08:36 PM In reply to

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    razoo:

    TGB Xmotion 250 is 21.40 hp. The 300 is 23.07 hp (16.8 kW)) @ 7500 rpm

    My main query was what's it like to ride. There are very few reviews to be found on the web although aparently it sells well in Europe.

     

     Wink You need to let TGB Australian web site know there mistake Stick out tongue

    http://www.tgbscooters.com.au/xmotion.php

  • Cylinder Type Horizontal
  • Displacement 264cc
  • Ignition ECU
  • Cooling Liquid Cooled
  • Starting Electric
  • Lubrication Compress and Splash Combined
  • Max Horse Power 17.2/7500 rpm
  • Compression Ratio10
  • Bore x Stroke 73x63mm
  • Battery 12V 12AH
  • Transmission CVT V-Belt Type
  • Front brake Disc
  • Rear brake Disc
  • Front Tyre 120/70-14
  • Rear Tyre 140/60-13
  • Length 2130mm
  • Width 840mm
  • Heigh 1380mm
  • Weight 186kg
  • Fuel Capacity11L
  • Colors Black, White, Silver
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