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The Honda 700cc motorcycle the one thats auto they say it has a double clutch.

Does it have a auto gearbox like a car meaning it really changes gears or is it more like a CVT. ?

Honda DCT is a 6 speed gearbox not CVT  but to make it interesting some auto cars now have CVT transmission

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Honda DCT works in a similar manner to an Automatic car (but not really) it has 6 definite gears. It's not like a CVT in that way.

It's actually got 2 clutches - one for the odd gears, one for the even gears, and the computer selects which clutch is in or out to send drive.

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Is it good for scooters and Bikes?  Or is it still to complicated and needs more work? 

'ive wondered from time to time why we don't have a real automatic gearbox in a bike, Scooter I guess it's been to big and heavy to make it practical. 

jpfvita:

Is it good for scooters and Bikes?  Or is it still to complicated and needs more work? 

'ive wondered from time to time why we don't have a real automatic gearbox in a bike, Scooter I guess it's been to big and heavy to make it practical. 

reviews I have read suggest that they work fairly well.  They do add weight though... you only have to sit on the Honda Integra and lean it slightly sideways to feel the weight compared to something like a TMax. 

Honda do offer up a number of Auto options right up to a 1200cc VFR from memory.  I don't there is the market for it.  Talk with most motorbike riders and they will say, half the fun is changing gears.. blah blah blah.  I'd never ride and auto... blah blah blah. 

It's something different.... Australian's don't cope so well with different.

The Ford and VW Car DCT gearboxes aren't recommended. They're not reliable. 

I haven't heard much about the Honda DCT gearboxes for reliability... But I wouldn't touch a Honda car with a bargepole (and they use CVT auto gearboxes, not DCT)

The Honda bike DCT has gotta be better than the Auto Honda Prince rode in Purple Rain

wombat:

The Ford and VW Car DCT gearboxes aren't recommended. They're not reliable. 

I haven't heard much about the Honda DCT gearboxes for reliability... But I wouldn't touch a Honda car with a bargepole (and they use CVT auto gearboxes, not DCT)

They certainly aren't slowing down sales of VW if they are that bad.  Across Audi, VW and Skoda they are selling a bucket load. 

What's wrong with Honda cars?   Having owned three now I would happily recommend them to people if they wanted a reliable cheap to run car.  Granted CVT in any car is a little disappointing but Honda's in general are great.

My wife has a Honda Jazz with a multigear automatic transmission, which is proof I like Honda. When the time came to replace the Jazz, we looked at the current model Jazz with CVT and decided to keep the older Jazz. CVTs last about !50,000km before the variotor wears out and needs replacement. With a typical CVT repair costing $7k to $8k, that works out at expensive motoring.

I was also shopping for a heavier car to tow 1600kg, all the medium sized SUVs with CVTs can't tow serious loads.

The earlier cars with CVTs are quickly being retired due to the cost of repairing the transmissions.

I don't see CVTs as an issue on motorbikes because the loads and distances are modest, I'd buy an automatic bike if they were affordable to me.

Remember Hona had automatic bikes decades ago, search for CB750A and you will find a really cool bike.

http://www.motorcycleclassics.com/classic-japanese-motorcycles/honda-cb750a-hondamatic.aspx

Was watching a old music film clip the other day must have been in Amsterdam as nearly all the cars where DAF with cvt transmission . If i remember correctly in reverse speed was the same as forward speed

Was it DAF cars that Steven Segal drove in some of those bang bang shoot them dead movies where he would be in a car chase going the same speed in reverse as he was going forward --good watching --now altogether we shall sing "Im walking backwards for Xmas --treied walking forward --but everyone said -- just another publicity stunt "

INMA:

My wife has a Honda Jazz with a multigear automatic transmission, which is proof I like Honda. When the time came to replace the Jazz, we looked at the current model Jazz with CVT and decided to keep the older Jazz. CVTs last about !50,000km before the variotor wears out and needs replacement. With a typical CVT repair costing $7k to $8k, that works out at expensive motoring.

I was also shopping for a heavier car to tow 1600kg, all the medium sized SUVs with CVTs can't tow serious loads.

The earlier cars with CVTs are quickly being retired due to the cost of repairing the transmissions.

The reports I have read on my Jeep with CVT suggest it will last for a heck of a lot longer than 50,000km (maybe that's a Honda thing).  Some of the US forums report over 100,000 miles on the original cvt when properly maintained.  I've been quite happy with it to be honest.   It's smooth, quiet and does exactly what I want it to do.  We're 60k km on the clock and no issues. 

CVT's seem to have gained popularity over the past few years with companies like Honda, Nissan, Suzuki all adopting them in their cars.  In Aus and the amount of KM's we cover as an average I would think it would be too costly to have gearboxes failing all over the place for car companies.  The bad publicity in itself would be terrible.

Planned Obsolescence - The car lasts 150-180 thousand k's and then it's a junker - Soon enough there won't be any cars older than 10-15 years on the roads.

wombat:

Planned Obsolescence - The car lasts 150-180 thousand k's and then it's a junker - Soon enough there won't be any cars older than 10-15 years on the roads.

True.  I hate the fact that P.O is a thing.  What happened to making quality items that lasted?    My parents fridge is 35 years old.  Works great and never skipped a beat.   Mine died after 4 years.   Laptops these days last maybe 2 to 3 years before they start to clog and slow.  Phones...last just shy of two years as most companies allow you to upgrade after 18 months.